I tried to "Save the current folder format" (accessed via column header context menu >More) -
I chose "For all folders" and "Replace All" in the next dialogue box.
I'm presuming all options in that window should be saved.
As per the FAQ page, I "Turn off Preferences, Folders, Options, Enable Folder Content Type detection"
When I open a new tab, none of my changes stick - I've had related problems before but I see now that it's probably to do with saved lister layouts:
"To update a Layout, open it, modify it as you need and then use Settings -> Lister Layouts -> Save This Lister (or Save All Listers if you want a multi-window layout) and overwrite the old version"
I use almost exclusively saved lister layouts (and many of them) - does this mean that in order to change the folder format I have to change each tab manually - or (a little easier) recreate all my lister layouts after changing the universal folder settings ?? I hope not, but I'm afraid it looks like that...
[edit] Oh deary me - I just opened a completely new lister and the saved settings arent displayed there either So this is not (just) to do with lister layouts. Apologies if this confusing - I'm confused - I've followed the instructions & restarted the programme in case that a problem but no luck. Heading out now will try again later. [/edit]
To clarify:
As said I almost always work within saved lister layouts.
Naturally I open new tabs - sometimes I save the (tab) changes to the lister layout on close, sometimes not.
Here's what I would like to be able to get in my saved lister layouts -
~ old tabs with the new format applied (maybe after reopening saved lister layout or full restart)
~ new tabs with the new format
I presumed that by saving custom folder formats, that new tabs would have the newly saved 'format' (they dont).
I also thought that reopening the lister would change all tabs - or that refreshing a tab would change it's formatting (neither happens here). The changed settings are saved for that tab only - no other tabs are affected, even if I resave the lister layout before closing it.
Okay, I started from scratch.
Made a couple of changes to preferences. Wasn't fully uptodate (now am) so rechecked everything
Settings
I have no tab groups
None of the Styles have format ticked (so presumably they should have no influence on universal format) Preferences, Folders, Options, Enable Folder Content Type detection is OFF Settings -> Preferences -> Listers -> Options: Ignore folder format of Default Lister is ON
Default lister is not set to be opened by any of the methods in Settings -> Preferences -> Launching Opus
Default lister is (now) set to update automatically
What I've tried
I right-click on the tray-icon and select "Open new Lister" (I wasnt sure at first but this seems to be the default lister)
I change the columns displayed and their positions (making sure to click 'Apply') and save as described above ["Save the current folder format" ... - I chose "For all folders" and "Replace All" in the next dialogue box]
I close & reopen lister the same way - all changes are gone
I repeat step #2 - change the columns etc & save again
I open a new tab - changes not reflected here
I closed all tabs but one in the default lister, repeated steps 1 to 5 with same results
XP SP3 DOpus 9
I've read the manual, the help file and the related FAQ
Am I somehow missing out on something here - or should this work... ?
If the Default Lister is not what anything is set to open then it's irrelevant.
What is set to be opened?[/quote]
Nothing is actually set to be opened - I dont have default lister selected to be opened (anywhere) in preferences.
But if I change the settings (to double-click opens default lister) I see it is the default lister that opens - it's the same one that opens when I right-click taskbar icon & select "Open new lister" (as would be expected). So that comment of mine was incorrect & just complicating things (sorry about that).
But default lister still should not affect things anyway as: "Options: Ignore folder format of Default Lister is ON"
Clarification:
I mean I had all options to double-click to open dopus disabled - I avoid double-clicks due to dodgy mouse arm - it was pretty superfluous to change the settings but I had changed them anyway.
This is hard to follow... Let's concentrate on one thing, understand that, then worry about anything that's left over.
[ol][li]How are you physically opening the lister window? (i.e. What is being clicked on.)
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[li]What is that physical action configured to do in Preferences?
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[li]What actually happens? (A screenshot of the window would be good here.)
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[li]What do you expect to happen instead?[/li][/ol]
[quote="leo"]This is hard to follow... Let's concentrate on one thing, understand that, then worry about anything that's left over.
[ol][li]How are you physically opening the lister window? (i.e. What is being clicked on.)
[/li]
[li]What is that physical action configured to do in Preferences?
[/li]
[li]What actually happens? (A screenshot of the window would be good here.)
[/li]
[li]What do you expect to happen instead?[/li][/ol][/quote]
eh, I think we're going off on a tangent here (I know, I know, I started it!) hopefully this will clear it up:-
[ol][li] I right-click taskbar icon, "Open new lister"[/li]
[li] it is not in preferences as an option[/li]
[li] it opens the default lister (which is logical). Me changing the settings above was simply to check/confirm that this was the default lister. Screenshot simply would show the last closed lister on dopus close (as Default lister is set to automatically update). So screenshot is not necessary or helpful.[/li]
[li] originally I didnt know what would happen instead (hence the confusion).[/li][/ol]
I hope that all now makes sense to you.
I think this not important (in relation to my problem with formats) - I was simply trying to explain in detail how I was doing things (as that's usually important) and because I was confused by the whole slew of info/settings, I threw in that sentence you quoted that confused you etc., etc.
I was under the impression that saving folder formats "For all folders" in Tools ->Folder Options and selecting "Replace all" [existing saved formats] would mean that this would apply to a new tab but maybe this is where I'm going wrong?
From the FAQs page:
[quote]Quick Guide
If you don't want to read this entire FAQ and just want to use a particular folder format for all folders, without it ever changing, then you only need to do these two things:[/quote]
I followed those two instructions there - and also checked the long list there of things that could cause this to not work (which is why you have gotten this glut of info - explaining all that). So basically I can change the folder formatting within a tab but not for a new tab.
This has been complicated by the fact that initially I thought my problem was just within saved listers (hence the thread title) but now I realise it is universal. Also I understand the problem clearer now myself - so hopefully this post will make more sense (?)
I have found a solution - under: Options: Folders ->Folder Formats -> Default Formats
if I go through each of them and click "Reset to Custom" in the context menu, my newly saved options are applied. New tab shows the new format.
This doesnt seem to be the proper way though - or if it is, it isnt documented anywhere (that I could find).
Should it work as I thought above ??[quote="tomos"]I was under the impression that saving folder formats "For all folders" in Tools ->Folder Options and selecting "Replace all" [existing saved formats] would mean that this would apply to a new tab...[/quote]
Which format was it that you had to change manually?
I not fully sure what you're referring to. I did say that when I opened a new tab the columns etc were not as expected so I changed them manually again. None of the changes I made were reflected in a new tab.
I had changed number and position of columns, I hid file extensions, and I had ticked 'Sort folders alphabetically' and 'Auto-Size columns'.
I can post a screenshot of settings if you want.
What kind of folder was opening in the new tab?
Same as in the currently displayed tab.
As per Options: Listers -> Folder Tabs: Double click to open new tab showing/Current folder
[quote="tomos"]> Which format was it that you had to change manually?
I not fully sure what you're referring to.[/quote]
You just said that to get the result you wanted you had to reset (i.e. edit) some of the Default Formats. So which format was it? You can tell by editing them one by one to change some detail (e.g. add an extra column), then see which one the change happens on. There are only a few formats so it won't take long and it'll be a lot easier to reason about what's happening once we know that.
[quote="tomos"]> What kind of folder was opening in the new tab?
Same as in the currently displayed tab.
As per Options: Listers -> Folder Tabs: Double click to open new tab showing/Current folder[/quote]
Same as the current displayed tab... Okay, so what kind of folder was in the currently displayed tab? What was the folder? C:, Desktop, something else?
you had to reset (i.e. edit) some of the Default Formats. So which format was it?
The format that made the difference was the local drives (and that's where I'm usually working, I'm not in a network)
what kind of folder was in the currently displayed tab? What was the folder? C:, Desktop, something else?
I see what you're getting at - no the desktop was not included, I almost never use it. I tried many times with different locations always with the same results.
I take it from your questions that you also think that the method I originally used should work for a new tab too?
[quote="tomos"]I was under the impression that saving folder formats "For all folders" in Tools ->Folder Options and selecting "Replace all" [existing saved formats] would mean that this would apply to a new tab...[/quote]-
If you do think that, then something definitely isn't working right here - does it work there ?
[quote="tomos"]I take it from your questions that you also think that the method I originally used should work for a new tab too?
[quote="tomos"]I was under the impression that saving folder formats "For all folders" in Tools ->Folder Options and selecting "Replace all" [existing saved formats] would mean that this would apply to a new tab...[/quote]-
If you do think that, then something definitely isn't working right here - does it work there ?[/quote]
Can anyone clarify this?
i.e. if you change the folder format settings as described in the quote, does/should a new tab open with the newly saved settings?
I've read through this thread twice and I still can't understand exactly what it is you're trying to do. I'm guessing you could do what you want with a Style or Layout instead of a folder format, but then again I don't understand what you're trying to actually do.
I hope not, but I'm afraid it looks like that...
So this is not (just) to do with lister layouts. Apologies if this confusing - I'm confused - I've followed the instructions & restarted the programme in case that a problem but no luck. Heading out now will try again later. [/edit]