Ah, here we go again. But this time, I will document every step of the way.
On page 64 in the manual, it says:
"The file context menu is available in all six modes by clicking the right button over a file. The context menu is file type sensitive and can be configured from the Customize and File Types sections. The Lister context menu is displayed whenever you click the right mouse button over a clear area of the file display. This is formed from a mixture of Opus functions and those added by the System. The column header context menu is displayed when you right-click on the Lister column headers visible in either Details or Power mode. (See Customize)."
However, in Customize – Context Menus, there are no "file context menu" (and no "folder context menu", only these:
Yes. Context menus that appear when you right-click files and folders are controled via File Types. I'm not sure where the confusion or question is here. The text you quoted mentions it:
"The context menu is file type sensitive and can be configured from the Customize and File Types sections."
TIP: I've added a context menu item to the All files and folders context menu that runs the FileType EDIT command... This makes it so that if you select a particular type of file (or even several), then click RMB on it and select this action the Opus File Type editor opens to THAT (or 'those) filetypes page(s). Nice 'shortcut' if you want to modify a particular file types context menu entries rather than open the generic File Types dialog and scroll through the huge list of file types...
Just be aware that the items you see on a files context menu can come from multiple places... the specific filetype, as well as other 'group' categories in the Opus file type editor.
20 points to anyone who uses the words 'file type' in their next post more than me...
[quote="HansL"]""The context menu is file type sensitive and can be configured from the Customize and File Types sections."
The context menus for files (and folders) cannot, as far as I can see, be configured from the Customize section!?[/quote]
No, but other types of context menus can be. I think that's all the manual meant to say. It could be better worded but does it matter? Which context menu you see depends on what you click on, and context menus are configured in Customize and File Types.
I don't want to bite the hand that helps me, but I can't help feeling a certain strangeness when someone say "The manual does not really say what it should, but does it matter?" Its a manual, for god's sake!!! Is it so terrible to admit that the manual is wrong in one little respect? What is so terrible about changing the wording?
As to the practical matter, yes, it did matter to me, because I tried the Customize way, and when it did not seem to work, I thought I was missing something. So, changing the working is to the benefit of all of us. If you do not want to support that change, it no longer matters to me, because I will make a note about this in my application database, but for others, coming after me, it will most likely matter.
I will continue to point out when I find errors in the manual, because I think it benefits us all. However, I can also assure you that I find DOpus to be an absolutely wonderful application, and there have been more than one time when I have looked at its possibilities and said to myself "The developers of this app are simply two incredibly knowledgeable individuals."
Leo, I am looking forward to continued help from you and otehrs in my "quest" to get my Dopus house in order, and this time, as I mentioned, documenting things more systematically than before.
As can be seen from my attachments, the context menu that is shown in Customize – Lister Zip Context is not the same (by a long shot as the context menu I get when I right-click on a zip file. In addition, the File Types (zip) context menu is empty.
I'm sure there is something I do not understand here, so I would be grateful for an explanation.
Like nudel said, the manual could probably be worded better, but keep in mind that this is a 'user-run forum' so there's not much point debating back and forth about the clarity (or lack) of the manuals' contents with us . Feel free to send suggestions to GPSoft about such things...
About your last question... you're still being confused by 'where' certain context menu contents are coming from. You've noticed that the menu you see when you click RMB on a zip file is different than what you see in the Lister Zip Context menu... So to clarify:
What you see when you click RMB on a zip file is indeed coming from File Types... there's just nothing there that is specific to the ZIP filetype, which is why you found the ZIP File Types context menu to be empty in the editor. That stuff is all coming from the generic All files and folders group in File Types... except for the Directory Opus ZIP menu item, which you've got because you've enabled the Directory Opus ZIP context menu option in Preferences (which is a one-off exception to the whole File Types vs Customize rule we're talking about here )...
What you're seeing in the Lister Zip Context menu has to do with what is supposed to appear when you click on the File Display background (empty white space) of a lister whlie browsing inside of a zip file as if it was a directory. It's located here in Customize because you're not actually clicking on a file - eh? Which goes back to the other categories you noticed in Customize and mentioned in your original post:
Tray Icon: stuff that will appear when clicking RMB on the system tray icon Lister Context: stuff that will appear when clicking RMB on File Display background (empty white space) Lister Zip Context: same as above, except while inside of zip file Lister FTP Context: same as above, except while inside of a directory connected via FTP Lister Column Header: stuff that will appear when clicking RMB on a File Display column header Lister Collection Context: stuff that will appear when clicking RMB on File Display background while inside an Opus File Collection...
Hope that clears some things up... from here, you should be able to deduce where to make changes depending on what you want to do. If not, shout back with specific "I'm trying to do this" requests and we can learn and teach on your way to specific goals .
Side note: I don't intend to 'pick' on you at all... but a full size lister screenshot to show a tiny little file context menu? Shame on you .
Steje, that's such a good idea (adding file type edit commands to the context menu so you can go right into the file type editor without having to hand edit the file type).
But I've found a tiny problem (which might be related to my on-top question in another thread) : when I bring up the context menu to edit the file type, the file type edit dialog always appears behind the Opus lister window, and I can't get to it to edit the file type. My workaround is to minimise all the other windows, but that makes it a bit clumsy when trying to access the file type editor. I've tried setting the on top status of the lister to all the different settings, but the file type edit dialog stays below all the others.
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, anyone?
Cheers,
Pete
(I wish I could use my powers for good, not evil (TM)
Do you already have the File Types editor open when you run the command? If it isn't open when I select Edit File Type then I don't have any problems with it opening behind other windows, even if the lister is set to Always On-Top.
If the File Types dialog was already open, though, then it will probably not be on-top itself and any child window that it opens for a particular file type (in reaction to the Edit File Type menu item) will also not be on-top, and thus appear behind an on-top lister.
Steje, thank you for the explanation, which is crystal clear. And I will not post such large screenshots again, I promise. Sorry!
A follow-up question: When I right-click on the white area in a zip file, the "Zip Background Menu" in Customize – Lister ZIP Context is "Check Out ...". Why is that?
It's a placeholder that turns into a menu with Check Out on it. Maybe other items will be added in the future, or already get added under certain circumstances.
Do you already have the File Types editor open when you run the command? If it isn't open when I select Edit File Type then I don't have any problems with it opening behind other windows, even if the lister is set to Always On-Top.
If the File Types dialog was already open, though, then it will probably not be on-top itself and any child window that it opens for a particular file type (in reaction to the Edit File Type menu item) will also not be on-top, and thus appear behind an on-top lister.[/quote]
Leo, that's what it was - I had been playing around with the FTE and didn't close the dialog before testing the new context menu in another lister. Obviously, some of the dialogs are common to the Opus process and all listers.
Thank you!
[quote="HansL"]When I saw the horizontal scrollbar, I cursed the person that had caused it
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Hans, I have a 1600x1200 primary display, so I didn't even see the scrollbars.