Directory Opus 10

With the (imminent?) release of DOpus 10 I was wondering what changes and additions are coming? I Google'd, searched the board and site but apart from an interview and Twitter post there isn't much detail.

That information is still top secret. :slight_smile:

Well, not really, we've just been working hard finishing the code and haven't had a chance to get the What's New pages ready for public viewing yet.

Details should begin to emerge in the next few weeks...

1- Queuing copy/move operations! :wink:

You may say that but we could not possibly comment. :slight_smile:

I don't want to put a downer on Opus 10 but it is going to have to be an exceptional upgrade to warrant another purchase (upgrade). I still have copies of Opus 6 and 8 and they still work well :slight_smile:

I really hope to see support for tabbed windows and a vast improvement with the FTP client. I do quite a bit of work via FTP and Opus is just a chore to use when working with and transferring a large number of files so I tend to always drift back to a dedicated client like CuteFTP.

What kind of tabbed windows? Something other than the folder tabs Opus already supports?

FTP is a chore in what way?

It's a bit late now for Opus 10.0 but if you want things in future versions it's best to ask for them (if you haven't already).

Only you can decide whether the upgrade is worth it to you once the details are published. There's a lot in it, though, and it's four years (and a hell of a lot of free feature releases) since anyone was asked to pay for Opus 9*, so hopefully most people will think it's worthwhile! For those that don't, their Opus 9s aren't going anywhere.

(*Well, you know what I mean. Obviously if someone wanted to buy a new copy of Opus 9 a year ago they were still asked to pay for it. :slight_smile:)

You are welcome to express you view but I disagree. Plus I assume you are still using windows 95 or XP. Opus 6 and Opus 8 do not function well on any OS above windows XP given that they are 10 and 6 years old.

I use Opus ftp ftp for all our work and find no issues. It is far superior to using a non integrated stand alone ftp client, many of which cost the same or more than Opus itself.

I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments, but I would be careful about using statements like this, which sort of suggest that users will end up paying for impovements "in arrears".

Better to present it as a renewal for yet another load of neat new things that will happen in the future and that you won't get if you stick with the old version.

PS I do hope that quite some effort goes into the help files and/or manuals, to make life easier for those of us who have work to do and grapple with these things in our spare time.

A fair point. Don't worry, Opus 10.0 will have more than enough to justify its existence regardless of what does or doesn't get added in later updates.

If 10.0 wasn't worth charging for then we wouldn't be talking about releasing it soon. That's part of the reason for the four year delay between paid updates; another is the features given away free over the years instead of being held back for 'yearly updates' like with a lot of software.

That's all I really meant; this won't be a small update. :slight_smile:

I'm not sure if it will be completed in time for the first release but work is indeed being done on the manual/help. We also have a new system in place which makes it much, much easier for us to update the manual/help, which was a problem in the past (as you know). I plan to make a series of tutorials (including updates/re-makes of my existing ones) after release, too.

Opus 10 release still in 2011?

Dopus rocks. One new release every four years with slipstreamed improvements along the way is as good as software gets. Try for instance Qu*ckBooks that actually BREAKS its software every two years so that an upgrade is NOT optional.

That said - a new COOL icon for the system tray would be nice :slight_smile:

I'd like to chime in here too.

I practically LIVE in FTP with Dopus, and I can assure you - likely what makes it a chore for you IS going to be "fixed" in Dopus 10. I can't discuss what that might be, but I believe you will find your needs are met :slight_smile: Don't worry - you have someone "on your side on the inside" :slight_smile:

The hardest part of being an advocate of Dopus is defining the need and explaining the cost. I've been part of a number of advocacy campaigns online trying to explain WHY people need GOOD file management and how it can make them more productive and trying to explain why the "steep" cost of Dopus is completely worth it.

You can read my reviews of the various versions of Dopus to see how I justify the needs, so I don't need to discuss it here.

However from a cost point of view, you really have to appreciate the pricing structure after dealing with other "digital distribution" tiered pricing which is in vogue.

Dopus only makes us pay for major build increments (i.e. 8->9, 9->10, etc.) TONS of software has gone to a "yearly" model - which means regardless of features added, bugs fixed - you're paying that $20-30 a year - and some software even DIES or disables features now after a year if you're not still paying. Crazy - but it seems to be where it's at these days ... "software rental".

There are numerous "coupon days" throughout the cycle of Dopus major builds that offer 33% off - that's direct from the boys themselves. The last time I wanted a deal on software, I had to go try 1000 Digital River "discount codes" until I found one that worked :slight_smile:

I haven't done the math, but 4 years at what ... $60? Seems pretty reasonable.

Is Opus 10 "worth the wait"? I wish I could discuss it more - but I can't - plus the betas have made me jaded - I'm used to it, so the impact of going from 9->10 has kinda worn off. But even since I started, the guys have been adding stuff like CRAZY and they are taking care of business.

I do NOT believe that Dopus 10 will disappoint anyone.

I should say, I mentioned yearly paid updates and I've got nothing against them in principle, as long as the updates are worthwhile, and as long as most of the bugs in each release get fixed without having to wait for and buy a new major version.

Too much software asks you to pay too often for virtually nothing and to suffer with broken code in the long gaps between updates or if the updates don't have anything you want in them. Luckily for all of us, Opus goes far above and beyond in this area.

Not just guys!


Me too. What is less acceptable is software that stops working at the end of the year.

MailWasher implemented this recently.

And for software that really did not add significantly to the software's functionality. All visuals and glitz.

That caused much anguish among users, many of whom went back to the old version.

The row was such that the authors backtracked and offered a "for life" version.

It will be interesting to see how many of the people who did not go for this offer pay to renew at the end of the year.

Thanks for the comments. I wasn't trying to be negative in my last post I was actually attempting to underline that Opus is very good and has been for a long time and that having an already great piece of software would be hard to improve on.

With regard to tabs, I meant actual windows being tabbed and not the folders. Similar to how modern browsers handle their windows so there is no clutter on the taskbar. It would also be nice if Opus could allow you to have multiple listers on the one screen, ie. instead of just having a dual display window you could have triple or quad listers allowing file management over multiple folders (or FTP's) at the same time. Allowing for (savable) folder synchronisation tasks. This way I could sync or copy the same files or folders to multiple destinations in one operation.

My 'chore' with FTP is that it's methods are slow. It only allows you to copy files one at a time and there are no multiple file transfer modes so it is painful transferring hundreds or thousands of files. There is no support for the File eXchange Protocol. There is no long term pause mode (history) so if you want to stop and close windows or Opus you can't come back and resume the task at a later date. There is no option for settings up tasks or queuing and having them run at a desired time.

As for the price of Opus, I'm not arguing against it I am just saying there has to be a good reason to justify upgrade costs especially since Opus is already great software. However you may have difficulty enticing new users to Opus especially since there are now many cheaper alternatives and free file managements tools out there, albeit not as good as Opus but they are alternatives users will consider.

I have been purchasing Opus since way back in the Amiga era so I have grown with Opus for near on two decades now - its come a long way! :smiley:

[quote="michaelkenward"]Me too. What is less acceptable is software that stops working at the end of the year.

MailWasher implemented this recently.[/quote]

Off topic @ Michael. MailWasher now quits working at the end of its subscription period??? :open_mouth:
Wow, I'm going to treasure my older legacy version of MailWasher Pro (which doesn't do that) and use that until it won't work any longer.

Now that there is this DOpus 10 thread, tell us a window when it will be out.

The next few weeks.

NIIIICCEEEE! WHOOhooooo. I just did a clean windows install and in anticipation I will NOT re-install Copy Handler! :smiley:

Modern browsers handle their UIs using the same tabs concept that Opus uses. Opus lets you have two 'documents' (file displays in Opus, web pages in browsers) visible at once, so there might be two sets of tabs, but other than that I don't see a difference between what Opus does and what the browsers do.

Listers = windows in Opus; you can already have as many windows as you want. I understand you mean file displays (limited to one or two visible at a time per window, plus as many as you want in folder tabs).

The ability to have tri- and quad-display windows has been around for a while and might happen one day. It would take a lot of internal changes (and testing), though, and I think most situations are handled well by dual-displays plus the possibility to load & save layouts that remember as many windows as you want.

Yes, being able to script the sync tool is on the to-do list. For many syncs/copies the Copy command is enough and that can be scripted so that you just click a button to sync a particular folder with another. (OTOH, for completely automated background syncing done to a schedule, I don't think an interactive file manager like Opus is the right tool for the job.)

You mean you want to select 100 files, click copy, and have 50 upload on one connection and the other 50 upload on a second connection (or that sort of thing)? That would be useful on high-latency connections to servers that allow extra connections. Personally, I don't mind splitting the files into two parallel copies by hand in the rare cases I want to, but I can see how if you want to do that often then you'd want it to be automatic.

The copy queue in Opus 10 won't help create parallel transfers (a copy queue is about avoiding parallel transfers) but should help in situations where you have a lot of files to upload to different places on an FTP site.

Opus supports site-to-site FTP if that's what you mean. (I'm not familiar enough with the details to know if it counts as using FXP. I thought it did but I might be wrong.)

True. Opus isn't really aimed at doing that that kind of thing. Maybe it could be if enough people ask for it.

I'm confident that once people see the list of new features justifies a paid upgrade. If that wasn't the case, we'd be talking about another free 9.x update instead of 10. (Whether the upgrade is worthwhile to any individual is always up to them.)

That's always been the case. All that changes is that Opus keeps getting better, for those willing to pay for something better.