Toolbar not extending to full length


As shown in the attachments, I customize the Menu(1) toolbar to full length, but when I open Dopus again, the toolbar reverts to "cut off" state.

What can I do?

Hans L

Changes to which toolbars are on/off, and their positions in the window, are temporary unless you save them.

If you want the new arrangement to be your new defaults, use Settings > Toolbars > Set as Default Toolbar Set (after making things look how you want them).

Aha. I forgot that. Thank you, Leo.

Hans L

Leo, I guess you meant Preferences > Toolbars > Toolbar Sets

There, I have

Directory Opus 0 Menu, Operations

Directory Opus 10 Menu(1), Drivers, System folders, Private, Toolbar, Navigation, Location, File filter

What should I do there if this is the place you intended?

In Settings > Toolbars, I have only what shows in the attachment.

Hans L

Looks like you're using old toolbars.

If you right-click the empty space on a toolbar, you should find the option in there.

Found the option,. Thanks, Leo.

Now, I have the latest version of Dopus, so I am curious to know what it means that I am using old toolbars.

Hans L

You're using custom toolbars that don't have a lot of things in the factory default toolbars.

Okay, Leo, I understand. But I do not understand why a custom toolbar could not have all the bells and whistles of a default toolbar (rhetorical statement :-).

Hans L

This is, indeed. an inconvenient issue, but the custom toolbar must have existed before the latest version of Opus existed. How could that toolbar contain all the bells and whistles of the current version?

This is the reason we reset your toolbars to default on a major upgrade. Our hope is that you'd go through them and copy anything new to your own customised toolbars. Unfortunately what usually happens is that people just turn the default toolbars off straight away and so never see or use anything new (and then get confused when the manual talks about commands they don't seem to have).

I am sure there are good reasons for the 'old toolbar' thing.But I shutter to think about what would happen if security software were done similarly ("Oh, you have to change a lot of stuff to be protected by the newest update.").

In other words, why can't old toolbars inherit the new toolbar goodies?

Hans L

Because we have no way of knowing where to put the new things.

It's not a problem in most software because most software a) doesn't let you edit the toolbars at all, and b) doesn't add many features between releases that make the old toolbars obsolete.

If you want that experience, just never edit your toolbars in Opus, and always use the factory default ones when you install a new major version.

Looking at your toolbars and menus, they are completely different to the default ones. There's no way for a computer to "update" your toolbars to include all the new things. It would have no way of knowing where to put the new buttons, menus and menu items (in general), and no way to know which default menu items you don't want at all because you've deleted them intentionally, vs ones your toolbars are missing because they never had them in the first place.

That kind of thing can only be done automatically if the differences between your toolbars and the defaults are small. (Or if the ability to customize things is severely limited, so the toolbars/menus are more simple, but you then have no option to move or remove individual items within menus.) The process would be fragile and unpredictable. For people who have only made minor changes to the defaults, it's trivial to copy their changes over to the new default toolbars manually every 3-5 years when a major release happens. For people who have done complete make-overs of the toolbars, you just have to look through the new toolbars to see if there are new things you want, and copy them over. (Or you can switch to the new default toolbars, of course.)

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Okay, Jon and Leo, I am convinced. Thank you for your patience.

Hans L

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