you probably dont mean that literally since we know that the search results are presented in a collection (which is a nice concept) and in a new tab, which means that your original lister (say Source) is just 1 tab away.
i really have to install DO9 to see what the fuss is all about..
Not sure if I can paste these in. Tried to make the file sizes small.
Naturally this is a different machine that I have not "upgraded" yet even though I bough the licence.
With the old find I can leave it in the background and continue working with the dual listers.
With the new find my lister is useless for work as the results have now taken over one of the two columns.
You can add images to posts by attaching them. (Using img tags should also work but I guess you got the URLs wrong or something?)
The thread explains how to create a layout to do what you want. You could've done it in the time it took to write your two posts. It's not a difficult process!
(Or use the option to output to a tab as Plunder suggested.)
Your solution in the thread is fine except that it takes an entire lister to somewhat simulate what was done in the original find.
And it simulates it badly.
Creating a new lister then creating buttons for that really is not why I bought DOpus. Maybe you and others have had time to learn and play with OPUS.
I have been using a product and that product has changed enough that I am finding it hard to use.
IF I stay with v10 I will extensively test v11 before buying it.
Not sure what you mean by "an entire lister". It's just a window. How is it a big deal, compared to the old Find window or any other window?
In what way? If you give us constructive criticism, or at least more details than "I don't like it", we might be able to do something with it.
At the end of the day, there is a default configuration but, unlike most programs, Opus gives you the power to change those defaults quite drastically if you want to.
The default configuration cannot please everyone in every single aspect. That's life. Some people much preferred the Find panel, once it was pointed out to them. Other people liked it how it was, and they can still get something that is more or less the same with a small amount of configuration. (I'll try and write a FAQ on that so it's easier to do, when I'm done with current coding work that I need to finish.)
It seems like most of the people who initially hated the removal of the Find window are happy once they set up a layout, as described earlier in the thread. (And the one or two issues that have been raised in feedback -- like the keyboard focus not being on the Find panel when the layout opens -- are being addressed.)
[quote]I have been using a product and that product has changed enough that I am finding it hard to use.
IF I stay with v10 I will extensively test v11 before buying it.[/quote]
Absolutely. We would never expect anyone to do anything other than test each new version to make sure they are getting changes they want. The trial period is reset with each major release to allow people to evaluate it themselves.
Looking at your 9 vs 10 screenshots, the fonts used in the Opus 10 screenshots are much larger than normal, which partly explains why things are cramped. (If you haven't configured that intentionally, your system is probably set to a high-DPI mode.)
Although i am stunned by the Find Panel (integration into my Dopus) and overall very happy (i would prefer a more GUI-driven Advanced Search, though), i am looking forward to reading the new FAQ thread. And also apply it.
It would be - unless you've created any user-defined layouts... which is what earlier guidance in this thread suggested ppl do who want a separate detached (floated) search window. For those of us who want a 'smaller' detached Find window, open a new lister, un-maximize it and resize it to the smallest vertical and horizontal window size that won't cause scroll bars to appear, and then save that lister as a Layout called 'Find'.
As with other things in Opus, there are multiple ways to then use this idea - you can use commands like Go CURRENT LAYOUT=Find or Go NEW=findpanel LAYOUT=Find {s} after creating the layout... and then the toolbar Tools->Find Files button to run one of those commands when hitting <Ctrl+F>.
Actually, I copied that last command example (Go NEW=findpanel LAYOUT=Find {s}) from something another user decided to try - but it doesn't really make sense due to redundant arguments - though it appears to 'work'.
At any rate - another way of "avoiding" the Find Panel taking up lots of lister space is to run a QUIET find operation... I'd say it's only useful for simple searches, but that's probably over 90% of my search operations anyway, and so I've opted for this method lately as well:
Find NAME {RS|Specify search string...|{clip}} IN {s} RECURSE SHOWRESULTS=tab CLEAR QUIET
70+ messages in this thread! Isn't that telling you something???
Leo has been doing a sterling job pointing out the improved functionality of the Find panel, but that really does not address the concern being expressed. The title of the thread says it all. I have devoted half-an-hour to re-reading all of the messages in this thread, and guess what?
Not one of them has said "I like the way the "new" panel clobbers my working lister." Leo has also said, "Do it yourself. Create your own Find layout." Well, yes, that IS what I ended up doing. But as one of your correspondents said, "I just want to USE DOpus!" I suspect that is not a lone voice.
You took away the Find window , nominally because not enough of your users had discovered the Find panel, and then defended the action by saying that the Find panel is more functional anyway. All of the functionality in the world will not help, if you deny the reality that what your users liked about the Find window was its separate existence.
If that was the case, my guess is that it would have been back already, at least as an option. Opus 10 is evidently not just Opus 9 with a few bells and whistles.
What i still criticize is: Now you have to click twice into the "Search in" field that you can type in something and then appears additionally
the little box with 3 dots and the input field is artificially shortened (not really, but it looks like shortened) .
That's not that user-friendly, neither for eyes nor for typing.
If you just want to type in, then ONE click is better (like in v9). If you want to use folder window for selecting,
there is already a button "folder for search".
The 3-dotted box is not needed like a struma, imho. Maybe there is a hidden (to me) meaning.
Earlier i was against the non floating solution in v10,too, but realise: now there is the v10 solution PLUS the "floating" solution, and indeed :
that is the required option: for floating option i use shift+ctrl+f connected with the earlier mentioned Find layout.
Yes, it tells me a FAQ is needed to summarise the useful info because people aren't reading the thread before adding their complaints & rants. (More posts adding fuel to the fire isn't exactly helping other people find the useful info, either.)
Maybe some easy way to set these things up could be added (e.g. via Preferences) as well, but it's hard to know exactly what to provide that would please everyone.
So? People don't post about the things they like, only what they don't like.
Before now, not one person has said "I like the way the (old, redundant) Find Window needlessly clutters up my desktop, has a bunch of bugs and is lacking features that have been in the Find Panel for years which I never even discovered because I didn't even know the Find Panel existed."